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Further Known GANDER Legal References - Old Bailey Sessions - 1674-1830

Further Known Legal References - Old Bailey Sessions - 1674-1830

The information here has been extracted from The Proceedings of the Old Bailey, London, 1674 to 1913, and also available on-line at External link.

» GANDER/GANDARs mentioned in Old Bailey Sessions - 1831-1913 »

13 Oct 1725

THOMAS HIGGS, theft: simple grand larceny,
(mentions a John GANDER).

Thomas Higgs, was indicted for stealing 50 lb. of Iron, val. 10s. the Goods of Anthony Turney Esq; and 150 lb. of Iron, the Goods of Persons unknown, the 14th of May. It appeared that the Prisoner, upon Suspicion, was stopt in the Night at Dorset Stairs, with some Bars of Iron in his Boat, which he confess'd he took from Mr. Turney's Door at the Old Swan: That John Gun, a Smith near Fleet-Ditch, and John GANDER, another Smith, had often been concern'd with him in stealing Iron, and that they worked it up; and that they had sold several Quantities of Iron to William Bryley, a Smith on the Bank-side, who well knew that they stole it. Guilty. Transportation.

05 Dec 1733

MARY BUTLER, theft: shoplifting,
(mentions a Jane GANDER).

Trial Summary:
Punishment Type: transportation,
Verdict: Guilty,

Mary Butler, was indicted for privately stealing five Yards of Cambrick, value 12s. in the Shop of John Hitchcock , October 23.

John Hitchcock. The Prisoner came to my Shop between one and two, and desir'd to see some Cambrick; I shew'd her a Piece, for which I ask'd 3s. 6d. a Yard; she bid me 2s. 4d. I told her I had some of that Price, and put my Hand into the Counter to reach a Piece, and at the same Time I observ'd her take a Piece out of the Box that stood on the Counter, and put it into her Gown, which was tuck'd up round her; she did not like what I shew'd her, and made haste out of the Shop; I follow'd her, and said, Mistress, if you please you may leave that Piece of Cambrick,

Prisoner. Was I out of the Shop?

Prosecutor. Yes; she was off the Step in the Street, and I pull'd her in.

Prisoner. Did you see me put it in my Gown?

Prosecutor. Yes.

Prisoner. Did not I take two Pieces to the Door to compare them?

Prosecutor. No.

Lydia Hawksworth . I saw the Prisoner go off the Step into the Street, before my Master took her, and then she run into the Shop with some Violence, and reach'd her Hand thus - towards the Counter, and dropp'd the Cambrick about the Middle of the Shop, but nearer the Door than the Counter, and there was none on the Ground before my Master fetch'd her in.

Prisoner. While he stoop'd in the Counter I took the Piece out of the Box to look at it at the Door, because the Shop was dark.

Prosecutor. 'Tis a light Shop.

- Marshall, John Parfit , William Collier , Stephen Parker , Catherine Richardson , Mary Pease , and Jane GANDER, depos'd they had known the Prisoner some Years, and never heard any ill of her; but the Fact being plainly prov'd, the Jury found her guilty. Transportation.

27 Feb 1754

GERRARD GERVISE, theft: specified place,
(mentions a William GANDER).

Trial Summary:
Punishment Type: transportation,
Verdict: Part Guilty: convicted of a lesser offence,

Gerrard Gervise , was indicted, for stealing eight guineas and a half, and seven shillings and sixpence in money, numbered, and two gold rings, value 12s. the goods and money of William Hall, in his dwelling-house. Dec. 5.

William Hall. I keep the Blue-Anchor, in Whitechapel; the Prisoner lodged about nine nights in my house; and went away about the latter end of November. On the 5th of Dec. he lay at my house, and went out on the 6th, between eight and nine in the morning; he desired he might lie there till he went to sea, saying he was soon to go. On the 6th of Dec. I missed eight guineas, one half guinea, seven shillings and sixpence in money, and two gold rings, from out of a drawer in the chamber he lay in. Having heard the Prisoner had bought a large pair of silver buckles, I took him up, and asked him how he came to use me so? he answered, he was very sorry for what he had done, and said, he hoped I would make things easy, and his father would make up all things with me. He confessed every thing, how he took the money and rings; he was searched, and only three halfpence found upon him.

William GANDER. On Thursday the 6th of Dec. about nine in the morning, I saw the Prisoner cheapening a pair of large silver buckles at Mr. Bond's shop, in Whitechapel parish; after that the same day I heard Mr. Hall had been robbed; then I told Mr. Hall where I had seen the Prisoner buying a large pair of silver buckles; said he, he had no money over-night, for I lent him some. We went to the silversmith's shop, and found he had laid out about two guineas there; I took the Prisoner up on Tower-Hill; I heard him say when I charged him with this affair, he knew what he had done, and hoped I would make things easy. I took him to Mr. Hall's, and charged an officer with him, and he was taken before the justice, there he confessed every thing.

Thomas Jess. I am constable, I was sent for to Mr. Hall's house and took charge of the Prisoner. I asked him, how he came to do this thing? he said, he was sorry for it, and hoped Mr. Hall would make things easy with him. He said, he had bought a hat, wig, coat, waistcoat, breeches, and buckles with the money he had taken, and had them on.

Prisoner's Defence:

I lay at my Prosecutor's house on the 5th of Dec. last, and went away in the morning to my aunt's: she asked me, if I intended to go abroad? I said, yes: she gave me six guineas to buy myself cloaths; she gave me one gold ring, and one I had before; she is dead. I changed away the rings where I bought the buckles; they told me I was to go to gaol, and I did not know what to do, so I owned it.

Guilty of stealing, but not in the dwelling-house. Transportation.

23 Feb 1757

JAMES GRIFFITH, theft: animal theft,
(mentions a Thomas GANDER).

Trial Summary:
Punishment Type: transportation,
Verdict: Part Guilty: theft under 1s,

James Griffith was indicted for stealing three hens, value 3 s. the property of Michael Crew , and 3 hens, value 3s. the property of Thomas GANDER, Feb. 11.

Michael Crew. I live in the parish of Stanmore, and am a farmer. On the 10th at night, or 11th in the morning of this instant I lost several hens; but three of them were very remarkable. They were found upon the prisoner, and I know them to be mine.

Moses Clements. I am servant to Mr. Scot. Coming from his mills I saw the prisoner on Hounslow-Heath, picking some fowls. I went and examined him how he came by them, but he would not tell me. He had got eleven fowls and two geese. I took him before the justice. Going along he said, he'd give me and my partner a shilling and all the fowls to let him go: but we would not. Then he ran from us, and we after him, took him again, and carried him before justice Bulstrode.

Thomas GANDER. I saw the fowls taken upon the prisoner. Some of them were my property. I can swear to one of them, which was a black one. I had lost six.

Prisoner's Defence.

I found the hens in a bag coming along.

Guilty, 10d. Transportation.

10 May 1758

JOSEPH SHAFIELD, otherwise SHIRVEL, otherwise SHOVEL, theft: simple grand larceny,
(mentions a William GANDER).

Trial Summary:
Verdict: Not Guilty.

Joseph Shafield, otherwise Shirvel, otherwise Shovel, was indicted for stealing one silver tankard, without the cover, value 36s. the property of William Wilson, April 14.

Margaret Wilson. My husband's name is William Wilson ; I live at the Cock and Bottle, a public-house in Cannon-street; the prisoner at the bar was in the tap-room, and had a pint and pennyworth of beer. Some company had left this tankard on the table; this I speak by hear say, I did not see it on the table. A man named Kelley had seized him, and kept his hand on the prisoner's, with the tankard in his hand, and I took it out.

Q. Where was this?

Wilson. This was in the house, he was just going out of the door.

Q. What did the prisoner say upon the tankard being taken from him?

Wilson. He said he had never done so before; and that it was his first crime.

Patrick Kelley. I was at the Cock and Bottle in Cannon-street, but cannot say the day of the month, it was the same time Mrs. Wilson means.

Q. to prosecutrix. What time was this?

Prosecutrix. I do not know the time, but it was in April.

Kelley. I saw the prisoner there, and he moved the tankard to where he sat, and put it on the seat behind him; he moved from one box to another; he asked what it was o'clock, being told, he said it was time for him to go. I wish you a good night, and was going away with this tankard. I said, my friend, leave the tankard behind you, and laid hold of his hand.

Q. How had he the tankard?

Kelley. He had it under his coat, and was got to the door; there are two doors. I laid hold of him in the first door way, that door stood open. Mrs. Wilson took the tankard out of his hand.

Q. What did he say?

Kelley. He said he was not going away with it.

Q. Where was this tankard taken from?

Kelley. From out of one of the boxes.

Prisoner's defence.

I went into this house, and had a pint of beer, and sat down and drank it in a box; there were three men, one of them said he thought he knew me; I said I think I know something of your face, did you never live at Hummerton; he said he did, he was a butcher there. When we had talked together a little, he asked me to drink. I drank out of the same tankard. Then I put my beer into the tankard, they went away, and left me a little beer in it. I called for a pennyworth more, and had it in the same tankard. When I was going away, I saw some ragged men set just by the fire place; I took the tankard in order to put it safe; when I was near the door, I thought I saw a man that I knew; I just took hold of the door to see whether I knew him or not. I had the tankard in my hand, this man came and took hold of my hand, and said what are you going to do with the tankard. I said nothing; the gentlewoman came and took it. I had no thoughts of stealing it.

For the prisoner.

William GANDER. I have known the prisoner about three years.

Q. What is his general character?

GANDER. I never heard any thing amiss of him, he is a hard working pains-taking man.

Q. What is his business?

GANDER. He is a plasterer.

Henry Crawford. I have known him eleven years.

Q. What is his character?

Crawford. That of an honest pains-taking man, who worked day and night to maintain his family.

James Haines. I have known him two years.

Q. What is his general character?

Haines. A very honest man.

John Blane. I have known him three years and a half.

Q. What is his general character?

Blane. I never heard any harm of him in my life.


06 Sep 1769

JOHN ROBERTS, theft: simple grand larceny,
(mentions a William GANDER.).

Trial Summary:
Punishment Type: transportation.
Verdict: Guilty,

JOHN ROBERTS was indicted for stealing three printed folio books in sheets, intitled, Atkins's Reports, value 15s. the property of William Strahan and Mary Woodfall , widow, July 29.

Mr. Richardson. I have the direction of the business of Mess. Strahan and Woodfall, printers. The prisoner was what we call warehouse-man; he used to have the keys of the warehouse, and the management of the books. On the 28th of July I detected him in selling some waste paper, and on the Saturday, the day after, I desired him to deliver the keys up to me. On the Monday morning I was informed he had been seen to carry out a bundle of paper, and he ran so fast, that he was soon out of sight. I told him of it, he denied it, but at last owned he had taken a parcel, and that it was some of Atkins's Reports; but said they were rather waste than otherwise (though that I knew to be false.) I got a warrant from Sir John Fielding ; but he was gone. I was informed in the evening he was at a public-house just by. I went for a constable to take him, then he was gone again; but in waiting half an hour he returnde. We then took him; he desired me to let him go till the morning, and he would bring the parcel back. I desired him to tell me where it was, and said I would make it easy. He would not. We then took him to Sir John Fielding's; but he not being in the way, we lodged him in Covent-garden round-house. The next morning he told me he had left the parcel in Shire-lane, at the Goat, for one Brown, a book-binder, and before Sir John he owned the same. The Justice ordered the parcel to be brought there; it was brought; it was Atkin's Reports in sheets. (Three books in sheets produced in court.) Sir John ordered a warrant to apprehend Brown; he came; then there was a warrant to search his apartment, and he living in London, it was backed by my Lord Mayor. There was nothing found there, and Brown was discharged. These books in sheets are the property of William Strahan and Mary Woodfall , widow. There were several sheets mis-placed, that we should not find it out.

Edward Price. The prisoner brought these books, and left them at my house, desiring me to take care of them till Mr. Brown called for them. He had brought parcels to my house several times for me to take care of.

William GANDER. I had a warrant to search for these things. I went according to the prisoner's directions and found them.

Prisoner's Defence:

I took those books, and left them at Mr. Price's. It is common for the warehouse-man to have a copy for himself, when books run over. Suppose there are a thousand books ordered to be printed, sometimes it happens that there are fifteen over.

Q. Can you make it appear that these ran over?

Prisoner. No, I cannot.

Guilty. Transportation.

09 Jan 1776

JOHN PROCTOR, theft: burglary,
(mentions a STEPHEN GANDER).

Trial Summary:
Punishment Type: death,
Verdict: Guilty,

170. JOHN PROCTOR was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Benjamin Hall about the hour of four in the night of the 7th of December, with intent to steal the goods and chattels of the said Benjamin.


I live in Broad-street, Ratcliff-cross: my house was broke open on Thursday morning the 7th of December about four o'clock in the morning. GANDER and Bird alarmed me, they had taken the prisoner; I fastened the door and the windows myself over night; I came down stairs without my cloaths, and opened the door; the prisoner bounced up against the door; I laid hold of him by the collar; he had this large clasp knife in his hand (producing it) I had just the glimmering of it; I let go of him, and laid hold of his wrist; he slung it over and cut my little finger: the grove of the window was cut, the shutter was taken down, and the glass was broke.


I am a rope-maker; upon Thursday morning the 7th of December, a little after four o'clock, as I was going to Limehouse-hole to work, I met Henry Bird within about half a dozen yards of Mr. Hall's house; hearing something like the breaking of glass, we made a full stop before we came to Mr. Hall's door; then the noise ceased; we went on till we came three or four doors beyond Mr. Hall's house, and then we heard a glass break again; I said to Henry Bird, let us go over and see what is the matter; we crossed the way, and we found the prisoner entering Mr. Hall's window, his body was within the window; one shutter was down, and the glass was broke; I asked him, what business he had there; he threw himself out and told us, he was just come from Blackwall; we secured him, and alarmed Mr. Hall.


I am a bricklayer's labourer; I met with GANDER as I was going to work, at a little after four in the morning; he told me some thieves were breaking into a house; I went back with him, and when we came to the prosecutor's house, we saw the grove of the shutter cut away and the shutter was taken down; when we came up to the window, the prisoner drew himself out and we seized him; we rung at the bell, and alarmed Mr. Hall.


I belong to a ship; I had come up from Blackwall, and was stopt coming past the house.

GUILTY. Death.

17 Sep 1800

JAMES SUMMERS, theft: simple grand larceny,
(mentions a RICHARD GANDER).

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18000917-66
Punishment Type: whipping : private,
Verdict: Guilty.
Original Text:

653. JAMES SUMMERS was indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 26th of August, two iron screw taps, value 5s. the property of William Pike. (The case was opened by Mr. Knapp.)

WILLIAM PIKE sworn. - I am a coach-maker, in Bridge-road, Lambeth; the prisoner was a smith, employed by me, he worked half a day one day, and a quarter of a day the next day, I never saw him after; I missed two iron screw taps a few days after, which I found again in about six weeks, or two months, at Mr. Tweedie's shop, Coy's-gardens, Tottenham. court-road; Tweedie asked for the stocks to match the taps to, and then he produced them; we took the stocks with us, and they fitted exactly. (Produces them.)

Q. They will not answer the purpose of any other stocks? - A. No; the taps are for the axletrees, and the stocks are to screw the nuts on; it is a thing I never suffered to go out of my shop, it is a right-hand and a left-hand stock.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knowlys. Q. You missed these some days after the prisoner had left you? - A. Yes.

Q. Do you mean to say you had them in your possession while he was with you? - A. I saw them every day.

Q. Then how came you not to miss them for several days? - A. Because we did not want to use them.

Q. Will not that tap fit a die from one inch even to two? - A. We can screw them up to four or five inches.

Q. Then it will sit a die, from one inch to two? - A. No, it will not sit; the nuts will be of no use, when the work is done, it will not cut a clean thread, unless they are made for each other.

Q. Have you knowledge enough of the subject to say whether these taps are finished by a right or a left-handed man? - A. The taps are one righthand, and the other left-hand, there must be two men employed to use it.

JOHN KELLY sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knapp. I am servant to Mr. Pike; the prisoner was at work for my master, three quarters of a day, I saw no more of him till he was apprehended; these are the taps that were in my master's possession when the prisoner came into his employment; I missed these taps two or three days after he was gone, I had occasion to use them.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knowlys. Q. Can you tell me whether these taps are made by a right-handed or a left-handed man? - A. A right-handed man may make both.

Q. Are they filed by a right-handed or a left-handed man? - A. I know a right-handed man can file them both, I cannot distinguish any difference.

Q. Were you the first that told Mr. Pike they were missing? - A. I believe I was.

Q. Had your master discharged any workmen about that time? - A. No.

WILLIAM TWEEDIE sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knapp. I am a smith, in Tottenham-court. road; I know the prisoner at the bar, he worked for me about six weeks.

Q. Do you remember buying any taps of him? A. Yes, somewhere about the middle of July.

Q. Look at these taps? - A. I am not so well acquainted with them as the man that works with me; I believe these are the same, I gave five shillings for them.

Pike. They cost me twenty-five shillings new, and they are the better for being old, because they are seasoned.

Q. Did you ever buy any taps of the prisoner before? - A. No; the taps laid in my shop, I suppose, three weeks before I paid for them; I had them valued by a screw-maker, at four shillings.

Jury. Q. Had you any stocks to those taps? A. No.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knowlys. Q. You are not certain that these are the very screws that you bought of the prisoner? - A. No.

Mr. Knapp. Q. Did I understand you rightly, that in the begining of your evidence, you said you had no doubt they were the same? - A. I have not much doubt.

Court. Q. Had you any other taps in your house about this time? - A. No.

Q. Did any other man bring you any taps? - A. No; when I bought them, they were very much out of repair, my man was a day and a half repairing them.

Prisoner's defence. I bought these taps of a young man that was going Armourer's mate on board an Indiaman.

For the Prisoner.

RICHARD GANDER sworn. - Examined by Mr. Knowlys. I am a coach tire-smith, in all its branches, in Ogle-court, Great Marybone-street; The prisoner worked for me at the time that he was taken up; he worked for me, from the 6th of June, to the 26th of July; from me he went to Mr. Tweedie's, and then came to work for me again; I always found him a very honest man.

Q. Do you think any man is able to swear to taps? - A. It is impossible, unless he has a private mark.

Jury. Q. Suppose they fit the stocks? - A. There are so many, it is impossible to swear to them; I have two pair with me, the same tap may fit different stocks.

Court. Q. Mr. Pike has said, that it will not answer the purpose, though it is of the same size? - A. It certainly will answer the purpose.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. Do not you think a man could swear to a pair of taps if he had no other in his house? - A. I think he could not.

Q. Had you employed Tweedie to procure you a pair of taps? - A. No, I had not. The prisoner called four other witnesses, who gave him a good character.

GUILTY. (Aged 25.)

Whipped in the jail and discharged.

15 Apr 1801

(mentions a John GANDER, an Elizabeth GANDER and a SARAH GANDER.)

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18010415-11
Verdict: Not Guilty,
Crime Location: Ratcliff-highway
Original Text:

304. SAMUEL FAITHFUL, alias MAJOR, and BRIDGET MURPHY, were indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling-house of John GANDER, about the hour of eight in the night of the 18th of March, and stealing eight yards and a half of check muslin, value 20s. five yards and a half of muslin, value 12s. and five yards of other muslin, value 2s. the property of the said John.

SARAH GANDER sworn. - I am the wife of John GANDER, I live in Ratcliff-highway: On Wednesday, the 18th of March, in the evening, I took down the muslins off the rails, and doubled them up smooth, I laid them in the window upon some other muslins; I then saw the candles lighted, my daughter was in the shop; I went into the back parlour and missed the muslins in about a quarter of an hour afterwards.

ELIZABETH GANDER sworn. - I was in my mother's shop on the 18th of March, in the evening; I thought I heard a noise, I turned round and saw nothing, but the door was open, the door had been shut before; there was a young woman in the shop.

Q. Then perhaps that young woman left the door open? - A. No, I saw her shut the door when she came in; my mother came in immediately afterwards, and missed them, that is all I know of it.

ELIZABETH REYNOLDS called. Q. What age are you? - A. Eleven.

Q. Do you know what the nature of an oath is? - A. A person that takes a false oath cannot expect to go to God, (sworn). I live opposite Mr. GANDER's; I saw a man go into the shop and take something out of the window, but I don't know who the man was.

JOHN COOK sworn. - I am an officer belonging to the Public-Office, Shadwell: On Thursday morning, the 19th of last month, about seven o'clock, I, in company with three other officers, went to the lodgings of the man prisoner, in order to apprehend him, upon suspicion of divers robberies; they would not admit us, and we got in at the one pair of stairs window; the two prisoners were in the room, and I proceeded to search the woman, she had only a gown and petticoat on, and from under her petticoat she let fall three pieces of muslin, tied up in this apron, (produces it;) I asked her how she came by it, she said, it was her own, and that she had purchased it in Rosemary-lane, the night before; Brown, the officer, discovered who the owner was, and Mrs. GANDER came to the office, and swore to them. (The muslins were deposed to by Mrs. GANDER).

Murphy's defence. I bought the muslin and paid for it; there is no particular mark upon it.


30 Nov 1803

MARY SMITH, alias BLAKEMAN, theft: specified place

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18031130-50
Verdict: Not Guilty,
Crime Location: Ratcliff-highway
Original Text:

MARY SMITH, alias BLAKEMAN , was indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 3d of November, two cards of lace, value £3. the property of John GANDER, in his dwelling-house.

JOHN GANDER sworn. - I live in Ratcliff-highway; I am a haberdasher.

Q. Do you know the person of the prisoner at the bar? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you ever see her before the 3d of November? - A. Not that I know of. On the 3d of November she came to my shop between one and two o'clock in the day; when she came in, she asked for a yard and a quarter of edging; when I opened the box, the first piece at the top of the box I shewed her; she said it was for a baby's cap she wanted it, and that was not the right sort; I went on, and shewed her some more; I desired her to lay that by, and she would look over them, and see if there were any she liked better; I shewed her another, and so on, till I looked partly over the whole box; upon putting them back into the box, she laid hold of a broad card of lace, and behind the broad card I saw her drop two cards of lace into her lap as she sat by the side of the counter; when I had seen her do that, I put my lace all up except these two cards of lace; when she had concealed it, she said, I will have a yard and a quarter of that, pointing to that which I at first shewed her; I then put all the lace away into the box except this card; I cut her a yard and a quarter; a man came to the door begging, and she pretended to put her hand to her pocket to give him a halfpenny, and concealed the lace; she got up, she said she had no change, and asked me what the edging would come to.

Q. Did you see her put it in her pocket? - A. Yes, I saw the edging, and she put it in her pocket; she laid three shillings and sixpence down, and I gave her three-pence in change; she then went to the door, and gave the man a halfpenny, or some halfpence; I made up her parcel, and gave it her, and then she went out of the threshold of the door into the street; I went round the corner as quick as I could to follow her; I told her she had got a couple of cards of my lace, taking hold of her at the same time; I brought her back, and when she came in, I gave a signal for assistance, by knocking my foot upon the shop-floor; my wife and daughter came up; my daughter, who is here, saw her drop them; I did not see them myself; my daughter shewed them me when she picked them up.

Q. Did your daughter pick them up from the same side of the counter that you stood to serve her? - A. Yes.

Q. When you say you saw her slip two cards of lace into her lap behind the broad card, are you perfectly clear of that? - A. Yes.

Jury. Q. Did you stand on the same side the counter at the time you were serving her that she was? - A. She was on one side of the counter, and I on the other.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. And the property when it was found, was found on the other side where you had been standing? - A. Yes.

Q. Were there many things on the counter at the time? - A. No.

Q. How many persons were serving in the shop? - A. Only myself.

Q. Was there a good deal of lace in the box? - A. Yes.

Q. Had you sold any lace of the same quality that you have been describing off the same card? - A. Not that day.

Q. But before? - A. Yes, it might be a month or two months before.

Q. You got possession of this lace again? - A. Yes.

Q. Did you ever sell any more of it afterwards? - A. Not any of the lace that was stolen.

Q. That you are quite sure of? - A. Yes.

Q. How long have you had this lace? - A. Some months.

Q. A year perhaps? - A. No, one card I think I have not had above three months, and the other six or seven.

Q. What would you give for them? - A. One I gave one shilling and sixpence a yard for; I had one from the maker, and the other was part of a bankrupt's stock.

Q. Do you know how many yards there are? - A. I cannot tell.

Q. You never sold any of it afterwards? - A. No.

Q. Nor shewed it for sale to any body? - A. No.

ELIZABETH GANDER sworn. - I am daughter to the last witness: On the 3d of November my father knocked against the shop floor; I ran up before my mother; the prisoner was in the shop.

Q. Your father had hold of her? - A. No, he stood close by her; I ran behind the counter.

Q. Did you go at your father's bidding? - A. No, I went of myself; I went behind the counter, and saw two cards of lace lying on the ground.

Q. Where you found them was where your father usually stood to serve the goods? - A. Yes; I picked them up, and shewed them to my father; the prisoner said, my father had thrown them there; my father said, these were the cards which she had taken; that is all I know of it.

Cross-examined by Mr. Knapp. Q. You found the cards of lace on the side on which your father usually stands? - A. Yes.

Q. Whether they had fell there or not you cannot tell? - A. No.

Q. Your mother came up afterwards? - A. Yes.

Q. Did not your mother say, she believed they had fell from the counter? - A. No.

Q. You are quite sure of that? - A. Yes.

Q. (To GANDER.) Did she go out of the shop? - A. She had got off the threshold; I took hold of her arm, and desired her to come in, which she did; I was then behind her.

Q. Then if she put her hand in her pocket you must have seen her? - A. In my flurry I did not see her; there is a counter on the right and another on the left.

Q. Did you observe her throw any thing over the counter, or use any action that looked like throwing any thing over the counter? - A. No, I did not.

Q. She was in your sight the whole time? - A. Yes.

Q. What do you think the lace is worth to you? - A. The one that I bought of the bankrupt's stock is worth two pounds five shillings; the other about sixteen shillings.

Q. What did you give for these nine yards yourself? - A. It is worth five shillings a yard; I cannot say how much I gave for it; I bought it with other different patterns.

Prisoner's defence. He said before the Magistrate that he had shewed some of this lace for sale after I was taken up, and the Justice told him he should not have shewn it.

GANDER. I never had such a question put to me; I never did say so.

Jury. Q. On which side did you see her put the lace into her pocket? - A. On the left side.

Q. And the lace was found behind the right hand counter? - A. Yes.

The prisoner called three witnesses, who gave her a good character.


15 Feb 1809

JOHN GANDER, theft: simple grand larceny.

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18090215-107.
Verdict: Not Guilty,
Crime Location: the King's Head, Swinton street, Gray's inn lane.
Original Text:

281. JOHN GANDER was indicted for feloniously stealing on the 11th of February, two pewter pots, value 2s. the property of John Henson.

JOHN HENSON. I am a publican, I keep the King's Head, Swinton street, Gray's inn lane.

Q. When did you lose your pots - A. Saturday before last, they were left at a door, after they were done with, in Gray's inn road.

SARAH CHAPMAN. I am servant to Mr. Henson. I saw the pots hanging at No. 2, at the top of Swinton street, I saw the prisoner take them off and go down Swinton street; I went in and told my master; he was pursued; he hung them on the rails again and made off.

Mr. Henson. I followed him up the street, he turned the corner and hung the pots on the rails; I took him and accused him with stealing my pots; he abused me and denied it.

The property produced and identified.

Prisoner's Defence. I have nothing at all to say, I leave it to his lordship and the gentlemen of the jury.


28 Oct 1818

SUSANNAH LEONARD, offences against the king: coining,
(mentions a WILLIAM GANDAR).

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18181028-63
Trial Summary:
Punishment Type: death,
Verdict: Guilty: with recommendation,
Crime Location: Cable-street, Whitechapel
Original Text:

1454. SUSANNAH LEONARD was indicted for that she, on the 8th of October, at St. James, Clerkenwell, feloniously did dispose of and put away a certain forged and counterfeit bank note (setting it forth, No. 10,701, 1l. dated August 13,1818, signed P. Lister), with intent to defraud the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, she knowing it to be forged and counterfeited, against the statute.

SECOND COUNT. For feloniously offering to one James MacCann a like forged bank note, with the like intent, she knowing it to be forged and counterfeited, against the statute.

THIRD AND FOURTH COUNTS, the same, only calling the forged instrument a promissory note for payment of money, instead of a bank note.

FOUR OTHER COUNTS, the same, only stating the prisoner's intent to be to defrand Ann MacCann.

JAMES MACCANN. I live with my mother, who keeps a chandler's shop in Cable-street, Whitechapel. On the 8th of October, about eight o'clock in the evening, the prisoner came to the shop, and asked for four pounds of candles, which came to 4s. 2d.; she tendered me a £1. bank note. I observed it was dated the 13th of August, and having taken two forged notes of that date sometime before, I suspected that was one of the same stamp. I asked her where she lived. She said her name was Smith, and she lived at No. 16, Love-lane, which I wrote on the note in her presence-(looking at one). This is it; it has my writing on it.

Q. What passed then - A. I told her I suspected it was a forgery, and I must detain it. I desired her to walk in, and sent for an officer. GANDAR came and took her in a few minutes. I told him, in her presence, the circumstance of my having taken two forged notes before, and I suspected that also was a forgery. She said she hoped it was not, and appeared a little embarrassed. I then told him I should not give her in charge, but I would accompany him and her, to see if she lived at the place she had described. We all three went out, and went towards Love-lane. I had given GANDAR the note.

Q. As you were going did any conversation pass - A. She was in the officer's custody, I was a few paces behind. The officer turned round to me, and said, in her hearing, that it was of no use to go to the place, as she had told him she did not live there. She was taken into custody, and taken to Shadwell Office.

Prisoner. Q. I gave you the note, but gave you no address till I was at the watch-house - A. She gave me the address, and I wrote it on the note before I sent for the officer.

WILLIAM GANDAR. I am a constable. On the 8th of October I was called to the prosecutrix's house, and found the prisoner there, with the last witness and Mrs. MacCann. Mr. MacCann produced the note, with the name of Smith, No. 16, Love-lane, written on it; it was not dry when I arrived. We went towards Love-lane with the prisoner. When we got about twenty yards from the house, the prisoner said she did not live where she had given the direction to Mr. MacCann. She did not then say where she did live. I took her to the watch-house, searched, and found 7s. or 8s. in silver, and some halfpence, on her, and gave her in charge of the officers. MacCann gave me the note, I marked it - (looking at one). This is it.

WILLIAM COOK. I am a collector of parochial rates, and live at Shadwell. I know Love-lane, one side of it is in my district, there are not sixteen house there. I know nothing of the prisoner.

WILLIAM THOMAS JEMISON. I live at Shadwell, and am a collector of church-rates. Love-lane is in my district, I collect rents there. I know nothing of the prisoner. The houses extend to No. 15, then they are pulled down; the next house is No. 18. There is no No. 16.

HAMMOND COUSINS. Leonard took a house of me, at No. 1, West-street, Stepney, on the 7th of September, and lived there till he was taken up. The prisoner lived with him as his wife. I have seen her there two or three times.

THOMAS GLOVER. I am a bank note inspector-(looking at the note). It is forged in every respect. It is not the hand-writing of the signing clerk.

(Note put in and read.)

Prisoner's Defence. I took the note that morning, and paid it away.

GUILTY - DEATH. Aged 49.

Recommended to Mercy.

15 Jan 1823

ELIZABETH BARTLETT, theft: simple grand larceny,
(mentions a JOHN GANDER).

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18230115-129
Punishment Type: imprisonment,
Verdict: Guilty,
Crime Location: Brick-lane

Original Text:
299. ELIZABETH BARTLETT was indicted for stealing, on the 23d of December, a gown, value 8s., the goods of James Henry Williams.

JOHN GANDER. I am shopman to Mr. Williams, pawnbroker, of Brick-lane. On the 23d of December, between ten and eleven o'clock in the morning, I saw the prisoner at the door, looking at a gown - I was engaged at the counter. I looked round again, and it was gone. I went out immediately, and saw her running with it under her arm; she ran up a court, and threw it over a wall. I secured her, and got a boy to fetch it for me.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

The prisoner pleaded distress.

GUILTY. Aged 17.

Confined Fourteen Days.

22 Oct 1823

JOHN OLIVER, THOMAS LONG, theft: simple grand larceny,
(mentions an EDWARD GANDER).

Crime(s): theft : simple grand larceny,
Verdict: Guilty,
Crime Location: Commercial-road.
Original Text:
1459. JOHN OLIVER and THOMAS LONG were indicted for stealing, on the 4th of October, a copper kettle, value 10 s. the goods of Edward GANDER .

EDWARD GANDER. I live in the Commercial-road. I am a tin manufacturer and brazier. On Saturday, the 4th of October, a kettle was stolen off a hook in the shop.

HENRY WHITE. I live in Catherine-street, Limehouse, and am a cheesemonger. In consequence of something I had heard, I was watching the prisoners, who were with two other boys. Long went into the shop and stood about two minutes; he then came out and spoke to the other three boys outside; he then went in again, and Oliver followed him - Oliver turned round and took the copper kettle off the book, and came out, and Long followed him. The instant Oliver came out I seized him with it, and afterwards took Long. The other two ran away.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

LONG - GUILTY. Aged 12.

Transported for Seven Years .

2 Dec 1824

JOHN GANDER, theft: shoplifting.

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18241202-139
Verdict: Guilty: with recommendation,
Crime Location: Strand.
Original Text:

139. JOHN GANDER was indicted for stealing, on the 16th of November, a ham, value 6s., the goods of Francis Hornby, and John Hornby, privately in their shop .

THOMAS HILL. I am shopman to Francis and John Hornby, who keep an oil and Italian warehouse in the Strand. On the 16th of November, between eight and nine o'clock, I was standing behind the counter, and a woman came in with some meat in a cloth. I served her a pennyworth of twine - the prisoner came in and spoke to her, and then turned out immediately - shortly afterwards, the other two witnesses brought him back. I examined the hams, but cannot say whether there was one short or no. I cannot be positive as to this, as we have so many.

ALFRED IVE. I am an apprentice to Messrs. Hornby. I saw the prisoner going out, and putting a ham under the flap of his coat. I inquired if it had been sold. I then went after him, and overtook him within about one hundred yards. I asked where the ham was - he said, he had not had one - he had none got it then. I had not lost sight of him.

Prisoner. Q. Did you see me have any property at any time? - A. Yes; you was putting a ham under your coat at the door.

REUBEN GILL. I am porter to Messrs. Hornby. I went with Ive, and took the prisoner within one hundred yards of my master's shop. I saw him with a ham in his hand, before we came up to him - he took it from under his coat twice, and returned it - when we took him, I found it lying about a yard behind him - he might have dropped it without our seeing him.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner's Defence. When I was taken to the watch-house, this gentleman said, I should not be prosecuted; but I had had a knife to grind, and in consequence of some dispute about that, I have been prosecuted.

GUILTY. Aged 59. Recommended to Mercy. - Confined One Month.

30 Jun 1825

JOHN GANDER, theft: specified place.

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18250630-98
Punishment Type: transportation
Verdict: Guilty
Crime Location: Windsor-place, City-road
Original Text:

1147. JOHN GANDER was indicted for stealing, on the 25th of May, 25 lbs. of lead, value 5s., belonging to William Hobson, and then fixed to a dwelling-house of his, and one fixture (i.e.), one copper, value £1., his property, and fixed to the said dwelling-house.

GEORGE WATERS. I am an officer. I was on duty on the 25th of May, in Old-street, about a quarter before six o'clock in the morning, and met the prisoner carrying a copper; I asked where he was going with it; he said to Featherstone-street, and he had brought it from Providence row, Islington - he was going to repair it, as he was a smith; I said I would go with him; we went till we came to a court which leads to a notorious house; he then threw it down, ran into a house, and shut the door; I took it up, and saw the lead in it; I went to the court in about three hours, and saw him coming out of the next house to the one he had gone into - without his coat; I got a brother officer, and we secured him; I did not know him before, but am positive of his person. I took the copper and lead to the prosecutor - it exactly fitted the place, and the lead corresponded with what was left.

ANN HOBSON. I am the wife of William Hobson, of Windsor-place, City-road. On the 24th of May this copper was safe in the back kitchen; it was fixed, and had lead round it; I missed it about nine o'clock next morning - the kitchen had been locked, but it was but a common lock.

(Property produced and sworn to.)

Prisoner's Defence. A man met me, and asked me to carry the copper: he said he would call for it at the end of the week, and there was some lead which I might keep.

GUILTY. Aged 61.

Transported for Seven Years.

22 Jun 1826

JOHN LAWLER, theft: burglary,
(mentions a WILLIAM GANDER).

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18260622-53
Trial Summary:
Punishment Type: death,
Verdict: Guilty,
Crime Location: John's-place, Old-street-road, in the parish of St. Leonard, Shoreditch
Original Text:

1130. JOHN LAWLER was indicted for burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Charles Gray , about one o'clock in the night of the 22d of June, at St. Leonard, Shoreditch, with intent to steal, and stealing 2 spencers, value 1s.; - a yard of silk, value 1s.; 1 book, value 1s.; 4 shifts, value 18d., and 1 blanket, value 9d., his property.

CHARLES GRAY. I live in John's-place, Old-street-road, in the parish of St. Leonard, Shoreditch. On the 22d of June I went to bed about twelve o'clock - I was the last person up; the house was fastened. I was alarmed a little before two o'clock in the morning, by my wife saying there was somebody in our room; I said it could not be: she nudged me again, and said, 'I tell you there is somebody' - I would not believe it, and in a quarter of an hour she got out of bed, and immediately a man spoke - I instantly got up, drew my curtain aside, and asked how he came there - it was the prisoner; he was laying on the floor, and appeared intoxicated; he said he thought it was his sister's house, and he had come there to lodge. I said, 'Which way did you get in?' he said at the up-stair window, and had shut it down again; I found the up-stair window shut, and the curtains drawn - it was not broken at all. I threw up my room window, called my neighbours, and we secured him; I went down to let my neighbour in, leaving him in the room with my wife; I found the street door as I had left it. When I came up again I found these things had been taken out of the box, and laid on the floor; there were two spencers, half a yard of silk, a book, and four shifts - a basket of linen down stairs was rolled up in a blanket, and put to the ground floor window, ready to be carried away - that window was open, and the shutter also; it was fastened overnight. - The up-stairs window has a sliding sash - he could get to it by stepping on the cills of the places, as it is a low house, about fifteen feet from the ground; I never saw him before.

EMMA GRAY. I heard a noise in the room - I rose up, and awoke my husband; the prisoner was at last found in the room, laying on the floor; my husband went down to let a neighbour in; the prisoner kept rubbing his head, as if in liquor - he said he did not know how he got there - he had made a mistake. My childrens' clothes were in the box overnight. (Property produced and sworn to.)

WILLIAM GANDER. I live next door. Gray called me up; I found the prisoner in the room - he did not appear quite sober.

JOHN OSSMENT. I am a watchman, and took the prisoner in charge; I found nothing on him.

Prisoner's Defence. I was in liquor, and made a mistake.

GUILTY - DEATH. Aged 21.

23 Oct 1828

JOHN VIGO, theft: simple grand larceny,
(mentions a SARAH GANDER).

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18281023-39
Punishment Type: imprisonment.
Verdict: Guilty: with recommendation,
Crime Location: Brick-lane
Original Text:

1992. JOHN VIGO was indicted for stealing, on the 12th of September, 1 coat, value 4s.; 1 waistcoat, value 1s., and 1 pair of trousers, value 5s., the goods of James Henry Williamson.

SARAH GANDER. I am nephew(sic!) to James Henry Williamson, a pawnbroker, of Brick-lane. On Friday, the 12th of September, the prisoner came into one of the boxes, to redeem these articles, which he had pawned; he had given the duplicate of it the night before - I brought the bundle to the counter, and took the ticket off; while I turned to my uncle, to ask what the interest was (my eye was fixed on my uncle), the prisoner took the things off the counter, and ran out of the box with them - they were pawned for 9s. 6d., on the 13th of October, 1827; my uncle went out to follow him.

ELIZA ROBERTSON. I live with the prisoner's mother. In October, 1827, I pawned a coat, waistcoat, and trousers, for the prisoner, for 9s. 6d., in my own name; I gave him the money.

ROBERT TYRRELL. I am an officer. I found the prisoner in custody on another charge; he had got the trousers and waistcoat on, and in his fob I found the duplicate of a coat, pawned for 1s. 6d., which being produced belonged to the suit; I questioned him - he said he had done it from distress, as he had no clothes to wear; I told him it could not be distress, as he had the money to redeem them - he said No, he only had 1s. and a few halfpence.

The prisoner put in a written Defence pleading distress, and he received a good character.

GUILTY. Aged 18.

Strongly recommended to Mercy. - Confined One Month.

3 Dec 1829

MICHAEL GANDER, theft: specified place.

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18291203-5
Punishment Type: death,
Verdict: Guilty,
Crime Location: No. 4, Weymouth-terrace, Hackney-road, in the parish of St. Leonard, Shoreditch
Original Text:

Second Middlesex Jury. - Before Mr. Sergeant Arabin.

5. MICHAEL GANDER was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of November, at St. Leonard, Shoreditch, 14 spoons, value £5. 10s.; 1 pair of sugar-tongs, value 12s.; 4 rings, value £4.; 1 buckle, value 5s.; 3 books, value 1s. 6d.; 1 trunk, value 2s.; 2 sovereigns, 1 half-sovereign, and 2 crowns, the property of Elizabeth Lydia McAuliffe, widow, in her dwelling-house.

ELIZABETH LYDIA MCAULIFFE. I am a widow, and live at No. 4, Weymouth-terrace, Hackney-road, in the parish of St. Leonard, Shoreditch; it is my dwelling-house. The prisoner lodged in my second floor back room, and had the use of the front parlour - he was out of employ, and had been there five or six weeks; I do not know how he got his bread. On the 18th of November the property stated in the indictment was all in a box, which I am sure was locked - it was worth above £13.; the box stood on a small bedstead in the back parlour, covered over with a small counterpane - it was taken about five or ten minutes before ten o'clock in the morning; I had seen it safe about half an hour before I missed it, and am sure it was locked and safe - the prisoner was then in the front parlour; I went up stairs to make my bed, and left him in the front parlour with Selina Waller - I was absent about ten minutes; Waller came up stairs for an apple, and when I came down stairs the prisoner was gone - I had heard the street door shut; I passed through the back parlour as I came down, and saw the quilt turned back in quite a different position to what I had left it, and having heard the street door bang too, I put my hand under the quilt, and the box, with its contents was gone; the prisoner was to have left on the Monday, but not before - he had never told me he was going before; this was on Wednesday - he never returned; I have found none of my property. I went immediately I missed the box, and gave information - there was nobody in the house but myself, Waller, and my little girl, who is about three years old; no other person could possibly take it.

Prisoner. Q. Was not Mr. McDermot in the place at the time? A. He had been gone about ten minutes - he lodges in the house; not a soul came into the room after I saw the box safe; the prisoner was in the parlour at the time the lodger went out - the lodger never went into the back parlour - he still lodges with me.

Q. Did I not come up stairs to bid you good hye before I went out? A. I never saw you - you left a night cap, a night shirt, and a handkerchief behind, which you have never fetched.

SELINA WALLER (a child.) If I speak false I shall go to hell! I remember the Wednesday on which the box was lost - I was in the front parlour with the prosecutrix's little girl; the prisoner was in the parlour with us, and sent me up stairs to fetch an apple for him, and before I came down he was gone.

Prisoner. Q. Did I not send you for the apple for yourself? A. No.

ANN TILSON. I was on the steps of my door, No. 2, Weymouth-terrace, on Wednesday morning the 18th of November, and saw the prisoner come out of the prosecutrix's house; he banged the door, which made me look round; he looked up, as if to see if any body was at the window - he had a little bundle tied in something white; after he got off the steps, he ran, and about five doors down he turned, and looked through some iron railing.

Prisoner. Q. Was my back turned towards you before I ran away? A. Yes - you looked up at the window when you shut the door, and when you looked round, I could see your face - you turned down about five doors off.

Prisoner. I am innocent.

[Saturday, Dec. 4.] GUILTY - DEATH. Aged 22.

3 Dec 1829

THOMAS SNASHALL, sexual offences: bigamy,
(mentions an Elizabeth GANDER).

The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18291203-203.
Original Text:

201. THOMAS SNASHALL was indicted for bigamy .

MR. ADOLPHUS conducted the prosecution.

JOHN WOOD. I am a sawyer. I know the prisoner -I saw him married at Maidstone to Rebecca White; twenty-three years ago last July, they lived together as man and wife - I saw her about a month ago; she now lives in town.

ELIZABETH GANDER. I married the prisoner four years ago at Stepney church - he professed to be a widower; he was out of his mind some years ago, and was in Bethnal Green mad-house - I had two children by him.

WILLIAM WILSON . I have a register of marriage which I got from Maidstone church; I examined it by the book- (read.)

Prisoner's Defence. Elizabeth GANDER knew I was married, and the parish of Stepney gave me money to marry her; we had lived together sixteen months before we were married.

GUILTY. Aged 48. Confined Three Months.

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